Do People Really Talk Like That?!?

November 22, 2008

This next blog is going to sound like I am really getting old>>> BUT, here goes anyway!

Why do authors feel the need to inject profanity into their novels?

I am going through a lot of Ellis Peters, Agatha Christie, and Ngaio Marsh audio books (and enjoying all of them immensely!) right now, and I am struck by their lack of profanity. Years ago, I wouldn't have even noticed the lack of these "choice words" as that seemed to be the common practice.

So why is it that it seems like authors truly feel like they have to include "harsh words" into their novels to make the dialogue seem realistic? >>>   Words that years ago would have prompted your mother/father to wash your mouth out with soap.

Do you think that it's because we, as a society, have become relaxed? OR Do you think that it's because it seems like it is now acceptable for major network television channels to feature child actors who say things like "Up Yours!" to their on-air parents (to which the laugh-track man/woman inserts huge peals of laughter)? OR Could it be that people really do talk like this? OR Is it that our vocabularies have gotten so poor that we now feel like we have to add these verbs, nouns, adjectives (etc.) to get our points across to our listeners? (Or in this case, the readers?)

I have been out of the work force for many years, so I have to rely on other people to tell me if their offices are inundated with people who … let's just call it what it is… swear. And, of all the people I have asked, not a one has responded that it's common-place to hear obscene language at his/her office. So I wonder why it is so common for authors to have their characters swearing.

What I'd like to know is this: How would you feel if Miss Marple's response to the Inspector's clumsy line of questioning went something like this:

"Get off your    *##&^#*      *%##@*     and get to the   *^#@&*    point, you   *^$@&^**    !!! "

Do you think that Agatha Christie would still have become the grande dame of mysteries?!?

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Pam November 22, 2008 at 8:03 am

I couldn’t agree more. Until recently, I volunteered as librarian at my church which has a fairly large and eclectic collection. Mysteries are a favorite. So many good tales and/or authors were off-limits for inclusion because of bad language.

I just finished my first Joanne Fluke book. Her sleuth occasionally uttered, “a bad word I’d never say in front of my nieces!” That got the point across without being offensive . . . Thanks, Pam

Barbara November 22, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Frank Sinatra said in a song “People who once knew better words now only use four letter words”. I think that modern writers feel it is necessary to use bad language because they think it will show how “with it” they are. Or they have forgotten how to write using anything else. Sometimes I think they must be paid for each “bad” word they write.

I have stopped reading some writers who have decreased their vocabulary to four letter words. The more of them they use the less words are necessary for the plot.

Violette November 23, 2008 at 6:55 pm

I agree with Frank. When people become accustomed to using foul language, they don’t even try to learn other ways of expressing themselves. I don’t think that writers have to use bad language to get their points across. It’s an easy way out.

Dennis November 25, 2008 at 9:14 am

To answer your question, I do not think Agatha Christie would have written that way – it would not be her style. Is the language offensive? Yes. Can we expect some of that kind of language? It is a sign of the times. Does it go overboard? You bet. I would be surprised if there was none of this in the writings of the authors – just do not let it go too far to take away from what is being written about.

Amanda January 12, 2009 at 2:34 pm

I am in the process of writing a children’s book, my first, aimed at 12+ year olds, although I have seen swearing in other children’s novels I am trying not to use them in mine, I want the parents to buy my book…when it gets published of course…but, will they want to read something which isn’t realistic, lets be honest here, in today’s society, everyone appears to swear just listen to them talk, and the kids pick it up. I agree that there should be other words to use instead of expletives which show a lack of education so I really don’t know what’s best. Should I use swear words or try to write without?

Danna - cozy mystery list January 13, 2009 at 3:21 pm

Hi Amanda,

I certainly would never include any swearing in a book aimed at 12 year olds. As a matter of fact, I would NEVER have tolerated it from either of my children, and, if I had heard one of their friends repeatedly swearing, that would have been the end of that friendship! (My husband and I were pretty strict about things like that when our children were young.)

As for hearing swearing out of my students (years ago when I taught)… I sent an eighteen year old senior in high school to the principal’s office for using some rather choice words in my classroom… and she was an honor student!

I would never have (knowingly) bought a book with swearing for either of my children when they were twelve. Don’t get me wrong… I don’t complain when other parents want to buy books with swearing in them, but that’s their choice. We simply didn’t use that type of language in our household.

Canadian July 29, 2009 at 7:16 pm

Sometimes swearing is needed for realism. (Because, unfortunately, there is a lot of swearing nowadays.) However, I prefer for the author to describe the swearing rather than give exact words. Something like: “At Inspector Smith’s question, Bob unleashed a torrent of obscenity” or “Alice swore softly under her breath”.

Danna - cozy mystery list July 30, 2009 at 1:56 pm

Hi Canadian,

As you say, an author should be able to do exactly what you described. Unfortunately, a lot of Cozy Mystery authors don’t know that… and seem content to “push the envelope” because of society’s ever-changing attitude of what is acceptable. Imagine asking Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln whether he wore boxers or briefs! (I know, I know… I sound ancient!)

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